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Russia -Georgian War
August 11, 2008 @ 07:47 AM
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What is your response on the on going war between Russia and Georgia.
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ANIFOWOSE BABATUNDE .A.
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Re: Russia -Georgian War
August 11, 2008 @ 10:45 AM
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It is very unfortunate that this is happening. Many innocent civilians were attacked in this tragic incident. This is not the time for war but rather a time to reflect on current world problems like the impending global collapse (i.e. rising temperature, sea-level rise, warming of the earth etc.), increasing energy prices and food crises.
It's absolutely unfortunate...
It's absolutely unfair...
It's absolutely unacceptable...
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Re: Russia -Georgian War
August 11, 2008 @ 02:51 PM
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Both sides have committed atrocities and human rights violations, but the ultimate culprit here is Georgia. They have built up their military in recent years -- increading it from 30 million to 1 billion during the reign of Pinochet-wannabe Saakashvili -- and have started this conflict by an attempt to take over South Ossetia through the use of overwhelming force that left hundreds of South Ossetians and at least ten Russian peacekeeprs dead. The disproportionate response from Russia was perfectly expectable.
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Re: Russia -Georgian War
August 11, 2008 @ 05:41 PM
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There's a friend of mine, a girl, aged17, with whom we're chatting over the net from time2time. She lives in Georgia. I am attaching here our last chat. It's from today. Every single time she goes offline or stops writing, I am terrified and I wonder what is happening there, is she still alive, safe and sound. Here's the dialogue:
[16:19:15] ninoo says: yes they began everything in out teritory
[16:19:47] ninoo says: and they have already bombed about twenty city and village
[16:20:01] Druid Dude says: i hope u dont live anywhere closer to the north
[16:20:19] ninoo says: no I dont but my friends and relatives are there
[16:20:29] ninoo says: I even dont know who is alive and who not
[16:20:38] Druid Dude says: my god!
[16:21:01] ninoo says: yes ;(
[16:21:03] Druid Dude says: be strong!
[16:21:12] ninoo says: I'm trying but I'm scared
[16:21:21] Druid Dude says: have hope....
[16:21:35] Druid Dude says: cant u leave the country until everything's over
[16:22:01] ninoo says: I think no because I have not enough money yet
[16:22:12] ninoo says: though I think about it and
[16:22:13] ninoo says: mm
[16:22:19] ninoo says: I dont know anything
[16:22:37] Druid Dude says: u're not all by yourself, right?
[16:22:45] ninoo says: yes
[16:23:05] ninoo says: and so many people are dead already
[16:23:20] Druid Dude says: 
[16:23:32] ninoo says: I dont weant war an more
[16:23:35] ninoo says: I want peace
she stops writing here for a while....
[19:49:37] ninoo says: oh my God they are coming here in Tbilisi
[19:49:44] ninoo says: they are alread near it
[19:49:52] ninoo says: with thir tanks and troops
[19:50:27] Druid Dude says: jesus!
[19:50:36] Druid Dude says: u must get out of there!
[19:53:01] ninoo says: I know
[19:53:10] ninoo says: maybe I'll go somewhere tomorrow
[19:53:15] ninoo says: buit I dont know where
[19:53:21] ninoo says: in the east maybe
[19:53:24] ninoo says: I dont know
This was the end of the conversation. I haven't heard from her ever since. Is she fine, whether there's gonna be tomorrow and will she manage to get away from her home town? i'm thousands of km away from her, but i'm scared. i can't imagine what are her feelings right now.
why can't we help her? why some people accept everything going on telly as news. as a background , an advertisement thatneeds no attention?!!
they say LoveConquersAll! I say many are mistaken in interpreting Love as the emotion showing deep affection towards someone. I say this phrase means EgoismConquersAll. Or LoveForOurselves.
Thanx for reading.
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Re: Russia -Georgian War
August 11, 2008 @ 11:40 PM
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katerina, i am crying after reading your post. i too have a friend in georgia. she is 18 years old and lives in tbilisi. i didn't know until now that the Russians had reached the city.
the worst part about this war is that it is not actually a war of territorial claims or nationalism. it is yet another war for oil. background:
azerbaijan is a huge oil-producer. azerbaijan has been in conflict with armenia for a long time and its only path to sell its oil to europe is through georgia which it then sends either on ships across the black sea or through turkey.
russia is a well known exploiter of oil. it buys 80 percent of turkmenistan's oil and sells it for 4 times the price on the european market. it is able to do this because without russia, the oil would not be able to make it to europe, but russia makes certain to shave a large profit for itself off the top. also, chechnya. chechnya would have been independent years ago if it wasn't for its oil. but because of this resource, russia is unwilling to give it up.
if/when russia reclaims georgia and absorbs it into the russian federation (don't be shocked, it seems to be where this is all headed) azerbaijan will just become the next turkmenistan, the next chechnya, and its economy will greatly suffer at the expense of the russians.
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Re: Russia -Georgian War
August 12, 2008 @ 08:10 AM
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Thanks Katerina for sharing with us this story. That is really tragic and sad. None of the civilians in Georgia bear responsibility for these events. But let us not forget about civilians in South Ossetia as well. Georgian military shelled them with heavy artillery and quite frankly killed more civilians than Russians did.
Evan, Russia does not intend to incorporate Georgia into its own territory. That is neither in the interest of Russia nor possible. The costs for Russia would be too high and they do realize that.
The conflict is not about oil only. I agree that Russia crossed the line in bombing civilian areas in Georgia, but Georgia, too, crossed the line long time ago. Contrary to lies and deceptions of American leaders and commentators, Mikhail Saakashvili is no democrat. He has harassed and jailed opposition leaders on trumped up charges and imposed censorship on the Internet several times--something that never happened even in Russia. Georgia has been increasingly belligerent and bald and they have carefully prepared for military takeover of South Ossetia. That is the root of the problem. And unfortunately, Americans and Israelis have been building up the Georgian Army for that purpose.
Also, I would like to clarify that Russia re-sells Turkmenistan's gas, not oil. And they were re-selling it to Europe for four times higher in the past. That is no longer the case, and from January 1, 2009, Russia will buy our gas based on market prices. But I agree that they do it in order to have a monopoly on gas supply to Europe so that they can use it as a weapon.
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Re: Russia -Georgian War
August 12, 2008 @ 11:11 AM
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How could one justify the cost of peace?
In all wars, There is no true victory in winning, no glory to be celebrated, no honor to uphold and be esteemed upon. Because in all wars, it involve countless innocent man, woman and children being trapped in the cross fires costing them not only their property but moreover their lives and whatever is left of their plans and hope for the future.
The evil of war is that is steals the hopeful souls of the living, it perpetrates hatred and anger, let alone the want to kill another person whom before was your neighbor and friend and because of war, now your instant enemy.
War is not the way to peace, and no matter what both sides will say and justify, still there can never be a reason to result to war. Sincerity, trust and openness are still the essentials to peace, and the most important of all is that this peace must be concern and care for the lives of its people. I am left to hope that this war would soon end, and that the government can truly bring back again the lives of the people to normality, no trauma left and hatred kept.
This concern goes to Georgia and Russia and to those countries especially in Africa that have been engaged in massive ethnic cleansing.
For me, no life is worth to destroy in the name of peace, no relationships broken in the name of peace. For peace is reconciliation, respect, love and harmony.
Today in my country (Philippines) we are also having an internal war in the south part of the country and is frustrating to hear the story that unfolds in Mindanao. As i watch the news and see civilians evacuating and communities arming, the scene and the stories of the numerous locals in where i was able to live and interact before are all flashing back to me as to be likened to a bad "de javu". I thought and reflected, will all the peace building efforts in mindanao be going to waste this time? or will this war test the efforts for peace in mindanao? i am worried and i do not wish to answer, for even if i do have the answer, still it will not justify the destruction and trauma that this war has and will bring upon the people.
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August 14, 2008 @ 06:57 AM
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We've been trying to collect some testimonies from women's organisations from the region. You can read some of them here: www.youngfeminist.net
I also think that in this war it's Russian and American business interests which gain and georgian people who lose. Maybe Saakashvili wanted to become a war hero to get back his popularity from the first elections.
One of the consequences of this war is also strenghtening american domination over the central European region. In my country, Poland, they are currently finalising negotiations over an anti-missile shield to be installed on the north of the country, which is part of the huge American "security" system. Although it's said to be in defence only,in reality the rockets can be used also as an ofensive. Looks like militarism is doing extremely well at the moment.
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Re: Russia -Georgian War
August 15, 2008 @ 11:58 AM
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It's sad indeed that this Russian/Georgian conflict is happening this 21st Century. My heart and prayers go out to all innocent citizens on both sides who are caught in the middle of, what, sometimes, they do not understand.
I am really, deeply saddened by this development. Let us all join hands and pray that soon, leaders on both sides, especially Russia, since they are the stronger power, will see good reason to end this conflict diplomatically.
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Re: Russia -Georgian War
August 26, 2008 @ 04:44 PM
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Sorry but if someone wants to know the truth, other than Turkmenistan style one (nothing personal, sorry for this words if it hits you), and other than Russian Propaganda spreads, i can provide you some detailed information about this conflict. These are only facts described from thet beginning, so you can judge yourself what the hell the Russia wants from its little neighbor.
Timeline of Russian Aggression in Georgia
I. RUSSIAN ESCALATION 2004-JULY 2008: Key Developments in the Russian Military & Political Escalation Before the Invasion of Georgia
• Georgian peace proposals repeatedly rejected by Russia (2004 onwards): Beginning in 2004, the Georgian Government has repeatedly proposed to launch a genuine peace process for South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Years of stalemate had left all ethnic populations in both conflict zones impoverished and without any effective protection of basic rights; Georgians in particular were targeted and persecuted on ethnic grounds. The Russian Federation and separatist leaders have rejected Georgia’s peace initiatives each and every time they have been proposed—even when the international community backed the initiatives. As a result, South Ossetia and Abkhazia have become hubs for acute criminal activity, including kidnapping, extortion, counterfeiting, smuggling of arms and drugs. At least one case of nuclear smuggling has been confirmed.
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Re: Russia -Georgian War
September 2, 2008 @ 03:57 PM
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Thanks for comments and insight.The situation in the Balkans has no bearing on Africa as a continent.
We condemn the suffering of innocent peoples who are taken a ride by the politicians.
We know that the Balkans were one of the causes of the First world war in 1918.
The world is hypocritical when it comes to suffering of Millions in Africa.The Congo,N,Uganda,starvation ini Ethiopia,Genocide in Rwanda and Dar fur.
Ethnic cleansing were started by the colonialist as a method of scorched earth policy to subjugate and decimate the African tribes and Kingdoms opposing colonial rule.There is no African name or word for 'ETHNIC CLEANSING'
Ethnic cleansing is a proxy war on either multinational corporations seeking mineral concessions or a political subversion by African to kill each other on behalf of the Colonial and other emerging powers.Hope I have digressed a bit.
Georgia was a vassal state under the giant USSR.The Geo politics of the Georgia-Russian war is ante dote to control the massive investments in GAS and OIL..Georgia is being exploited by the USA and Europe to fight a proxy war against Russia.
USA lost the capacity to defend Europe .Missiles wont deter the Giant Russia to overrun any European country.
USA has no financial capacity to overhaul all European economies from their economic doldrums.
Russia had calculated all the risks before invading Georgia
As China,India, Pakistan,Brazil and South Africa are the entering the world stage,Russia will be a force to reckon with.
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Re: Russia -Georgian War
October 21, 2008 @ 03:01 PM
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I think this situation is very scary. With all the backwater deals between the disputed territories and Russia and the U.S.'s suport for Georiga, the whole situation is mucky.
Russia grants citizenship to the breakaway nations and is trying to capitalize. The U.S. is trying to get Georgia into NATO and by taking sides with Russia's current opposer we really are not looking all that friendly. Granted we are doing this because Georiga is supplying troops for our war and we are only suplying humanatarin services, but we have been sitting on this ice with Russia for meny years. All they need is an excuse to start vanishing counrties.
Well this in my own personial view but its a view none the less.
My heart goes out to all those caught in this mess and i hope it ends peacfully with as little casulties as possible. evan though a great number of them have occured.
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